Monday, July 21, 2014

Proposed revision in Code of Student Conduct

On another post Anonymous wrote:

"new topic please--revision in Code of Student Conduct:
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/2014/07/21/Proposed-changes-in-the-Student-Conduct-Code-emphasize-progressive-and-positive-discipline/stories/201407190129

So an ASSAULT isnt criminal and we will allow "discretion"? Read back through this blog-- this is how we got to the place where "good" elementary schools-Minadeo- are written up as "out-of-control" and children in fear. The problem is that there are NO consequences for actions of young children that would BE criminal out in the street. Do you all trust the PELAs and the various consultants when your child is injured in school?
Obviously alot of people don't and they are expressing this by leaving schools perceived as dangerous. The biggest thing ALL parents want is safe students-- we are united in this. So now nothing is concrete. Look at what has happened with this thinking- without the change in the code.
These principals will do anything-- as the article implies-- to KEEP students in the classroom-- no matter what has happened. And yet, YES great teachers deal with it and well-- but how much time is your student observing these behaviors around them--disruptive or not-- instead of learning skills. When middle school teachers tell you the kids are coming with less skills-- look how long these students watched various performances, interventions, etc."

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

I used to be the kind of teacher who broke up fights and made sure I had a presence in my hallways. On one hand, I always felt that fights were contagious, especially when kids saw that no one was intervening and that they draw big crowds of, uh, "fans." On the other, I believed that when you provide that presence in the halls, incidents and random acts of stupidity are less likely to happen.
That all stopped in the last couple of years for me.
If assaults and other serious incidents are going to get "consultations" with administration, then let administration break up the fights.
I feel badly for security now. This is outrageous.

And let's be truthful, this is another way to get EVERYONE on the pathway to the promise. We have the lunacy of a 50% grading policy which destroyed any semblance of academic integrity, and now we can look the other way when kids do things that would get them locked up on the streets.

If you're a parent, why would you ever send your kid here?

Anonymous said...

Shouldn't there be a code of conduct by grade levels? K-5, 6-8 and 9-12? That way the severity of discipline increasing may provide a deterrent. Frankly, decriminalizing assault really scares me. Soft consequences are pretty much no consequences.

Anonymous said...

Actually the younger children are the essence of the issue-- older kids know they can wind up in juvy, big trouble etc. There needs to be alternative education for little kids who have big big problems and are crying out for help. We are talking about really damaged kids-- and often parents who werent at fault-foster kids, adopting abused kids, change of custody,etc. It is sad-- but so is the child of parents who are working hard and don't know what to do when their kid exhibits fear of school. If you call the school, they will "talk to the child" but every day it is the same. The interventions they tell the teacher to try just means-" keep the kid in class no matter what"

Anonymous said...

That PPG article has almost a dream-like quality. It's just that hard to believe.

If this goes through, then parents, if your child is assaulted, bypass the school district. Call a lawyer, and then the city police.

If the city police won't respond, call the state police and the local TV news stations.

Oh, and get your child out of that school.

Anonymous said...

Agreeing with 4:22- they count on our silence-- broad play book-- let them rant, then blame the teacher when disturbed children are overtaking classrooms. Documenting the situations will get it out there. Also, relentless pestering of board members may gwt them looking into danferous situations. All rumors winf up on the doorstep of board members in other districts.

Anonymous said...

Discretion...You know what that means. No one is going to want to teach.

There is something bigger going on here.

Anonymous said...

Link to Minadeo minutes. It is a must read considering this downgrading of saftey.

http://purereform.blogspot.com/2014/04/minadeo-minutes.html

Anonymous said...

I had a lot of hope when the new Board was sworn in.

Will the new Board put a stop to this sort of destructive thinking, or will it just be more of the same: the Board is a rubber stamp of the Superintendent?

Anonymous said...

I heard there are more resignations.

Will be interested to hear how many total.

Anonymous said...

Have you been noticing that when we pre-discuss some serious issues here.. they get "pulled"? PLEASE cyber- colleagues keep talking!!

Anonymous said...

Well, maybe a few more of the serious issues need to be discussed here so that they will be "pulled".

PPS kids are being seriously disadvantaged by items that have NOT been "pulled".

Anonymous said...

So. What is going on here? Are all bloggers being identified by the 'password' that needs to be filled in when you enter a comment.

The last however many entries have had the exact same password!

So. Anonymous we are NOT?!

Anonymous said...

If the just previous comment is NOT posted, is it safe to assume that it was 'dead on'?

Anonymous said...

4:04
Lol. I like your idea! Do you think if we talk about Lane enough she'll get pulled too??!! Wishful thinking ; )

Anonymous said...

sometimes, when the administration pulls something between agenda and legislative you have to wonder if it is because they know the board won't approve it. could it be because the admin wants to avoid a public smackdown?

Questioner said...

Commentators are anonymous. The password is probably the blogspot security procedure to prevent spamming.

Questioner said...

No.

Anonymous said...

Although the Code of Conduct topic was pulled by the administration before the last legislative meeting it will come up again. Now is the time everybody should be interested and active on the issue. If you do not take the time to read it and contact your school board rep with your thoughts NOW, you and your kids will have to live with whatever form it takes in your future.

Zero tolerance policies did go too far and nationwide lots of stories prove it. We do have to be careful though with "discretion" because it will slow down correcting inappropriate behavior if there is not some standard for discipline. We certainly can't accept a "wait and see" method for some infractions. What if the softest approaches don't work?



Anonymous said...

They passed it.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/education/2014/08/05/Pittsburgh-school-board-approves-revised-code-of-conduct/stories/201408050076

Anonymous said...

To start off, all the kids are problems. When you are an angry child age means nothing. Kids are not scared of Shuman or Court. Who would you rather brerak up a fight with two small elementary kids or two kids 200 pounds each out of complete control! You can not have special Ed kids with main stream, autistic with main stream, MR with main stream. They do not at all get the education that they need! The parents know the problems their kids have! What do you want a mother with 6 kids to 6 different dads to do? No fathers involved!? Teachers that are hired need to be from the city and city schools! Security are over worked and under paid. The police are scared of breaking fights up and screaming radical parents! The special ed kids are 75% of the issues especially the violence and they can not be suspended more than 5 times. Are they for real? Parents have the kids going nuts because they do not fill their medicine. DO not worry Security will babysit them and handle all situations.

Anonymous said...

Agree with Anonymous July 21,4:22 and 5:45. Parents are kept in the dark. Only when the parents unite for the common cause will positive change occur.Todays educational system is the fruition of school busing and desegregation. Take back neighborhoods and neighborhood schools!

Anonymous

Questioner said...

You are not seriously proposing segregated schools right? Just opposed to bussing ?